The Famous Video

[SIZZLE]

good call dead, although i dont think some of the obcs took the time to analyze the video all the way, wat are you going to do. its their team so let them run it the way they do. as for us, lets just enjoy the game

[jodo]

ow well I don't really care .. I know he's a cheat ..
and that's all that matters to me ...

lata

[SHORTIZZLE]

You know WHO is a cheat?

Cuz I know Kami is a cheat.

And I know that Vin has been playing SOF2 for a long looong time. I only know of at least 3 years that hes been playing, and prolly more. He was one of the origional OBCers. They don't worry about their ratios, why should they? They have more skill than a vast majority of the people that play SOF2. They've used the same maps, they know all the best hiding spots, they're incredibly accurate with their shots.... I know, because I've not only been their victim more times than I care to remember, but because I asked them. I talk to the head honchos in OBC. Hell, I talk to them in Ref Chat every time they're in there. These are good guys, yea they might lose their tempers, yea they've made mistakes, but they are human. Yet because of their label as OBC, their mstakes are always blown right back in their faces, and everyone seems to have heard about it the next day. I for one, believe that Vin did not cheat. He would have no reason to do so, and if the video is so sketchy that no one can say FOR SURE, then why not drop this whole fcuking mess, and get on with your own lives.

And yes, I do know that Kami cheats. But he is still my friend. For the longest time I would not accept that he does, but now I know it's true. The proof was shown to me recently. That's all I have to say.

[Flux]

okie dokie,one more time,all together...: THE SUBJECT IS OVER AND DONE! tempers did flare (and if they ever flare at me again,i'm goin off on them in their own forum,i care not one whit). lets all just say :i wish i was in kansas,i wish i was in kansas, i wish i had some Grand Marnier i have spoken,and shorty...honey....HI HIHIHIHIHIIHIHIHIHII! ;D

[jodo]

well just 1 more thing ..

I have perfecty good reasons for not liking/ trusting O*B*C ..

in a past long long long long long long ago ( and yes Im ahshamed of that past ) I tried to join OBC ... I was a fool .. who just entered sof .. about 2 years ago ..
the only thing was that I wasnt a noob ... so they thought I stood a chance ..

I needed some kind approval round .. I needed to play them 2 vs 1 ...

guess wut .. I won ..

next day I wanted to go into wasteland .. guess what they banned my a$$ ...

nice people huh ??

hell some of them are nice ... Ive known avner for a very long time ... from even before me and him were in OBC and UGK ... yeah I like him ... and I like DAN to for that mather ...

vindictive however has always been shady ..
the reason why I am saying this, is the following ..

2 days before my 2 vs 1 .. with them OBC's I talked to someone in server ... about vindictive ..

I told that guy if I was in spec ... I couldnt see what he was aiming for .. and that his killss were to good too believe ...... him aiming thrue mountain and so on and so on

then I got banned ...

coinsidence

maybe ... But I dont trust the guy anymore .. I was breathing down his neck .. and he had to get rid of me ..

Im unbanned now, but that happened after a long time ... maybe they thought I forgot or something .. but believe me ... I'll catch him ... and Im taking his a$$ down .. the same way that he took me down ..

cuz u gotta understand wasteland was the only RMG server at the moment ... I had nowhere to play cuz that fucker banned me ..

I tell u he's going down

lata

[Flux]

BWHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHAH! REAM HIM OUT! And if any dare to confront you,or badmouth you....let me know i got something for em

[jodo]

lmao will do ..

[Kerryx]

Hey Hey Guy's, This is my 1st post here on the Izzle forum, I can say I have agreements and disagreements 2 everything said here, Just to make things CLEAR.. Mind you im not taking sides just giving you my thoughts to think about.



Quote- Shorty "I played WL earlier tonight, and my team and I discussed where enemies were. Whenever I died, I tried to relay the location of the guy that killed me, and number of guys in that area. Other teammates did it, too. I randomly died by this tower near my base, and when I re-spawned, a mate said there was a guy in there, so I went and killed him. My team privately told me that there was an enemy there to look out for. So I knew what I was getting into. I am NOT taking ANY sides. Like I said, I am confused as ALL HELL and PISSED beyond belief. But there ARE other things to be considered.

So in the video, we do NOT know what Vin's team was saying, or even if Vin had been killed by that guy in the tower before, or whatever else."

Highly doubtful there would be someone to tell him where he was and for him to know, 1. If you've seen the video you notice he kills MEGAN, and if you look at the consel where it shows wrighting and such you will notice that Megan kills 1 guy before vindi finds her, His name is MBK Boom Stick, Now i dont think Boomstick told Vindi where she was especially since from his death to hers was about 25/6 seconds.

Quote- Shorty "He might not even have known that there was a guy in there, and heard him. If you have sound up and effects off, you can hear people move. Especially when you are so experienced at listening for them. Dan said he would have handled that situation the exact same way as Vin, too. And I know Dan doesn't cheat, cuz hell, I can see his screen from my seat."

Now you might say OK well he heard her, well I use headphones and I put them all the way up to get the real sounds, as you notice while he jumps over the hill and caps the guy in the back, he looks around and notice's no one. than figits and heads stright for tower there is no sound of megan moving, jumping, shooting, reloading, ok put urself in that situation, what would you have done? headed for the tower, and sneaked inside? I doubt it, I would have killed the guy in the back and turned around to look in middle where the blue team would be coming from *I know that map pretty well*


Quote-DeadG "screw that and for the most part part,screw the vid. as a team they deserve respect,but also as a team,they feel as if they can COMMAND respect. they are too quick to argue,and too quick to attack those who come back at them,even defensively. and there are a few individuals who try to come off tougher than they are,but maybe i'm wrong for saying that. *self-evaluation....analyzing statement..* nope,i'm right for that. this is a fuc*in game,treat it like one."

As much as I agree, I disagree as well, Kami did the right thing by bringing it there and everything, OBC ban people on occasion by mistakes, I've been personally banned about 5 times now i belive, Rij has been banned, Serial Killers have been banned, He did what he though was necessary, as would I have done. If it would have been a video about ME or someone else, people would have come and said I dont cheat, or watched it and said I do or something, but i can almost garentee it would have been looked at more closley by everyone.And I bet just being me, I probably would have been banned...agian.


Quote-Shorty "And I know that Vin has been playing SOF2 for a long looong time. I only know of at least 3 years that hes been playing, and prolly more. He was one of the origional OBCers. They don't worry about their ratios, why should they? They have more skill than a vast majority of the people that play SOF2. They've used the same maps, they know all the best hiding spots, they're incredibly accurate with their shots...."

I could say the same about meny other people who have been banneed/are banned



Quote-Shorty "I know, because I've not only been their victim more times than I care to remember, but because I asked them. I talk to the head honchos in OBC. Hell, I talk to them in Ref Chat every time they're in there. These are good guys, yea they might lose their tempers, yea they've made mistakes, but they are human. Yet because of their label as OBC, their mstakes are always blown right back in their faces, and everyone seems to have heard about it the next day. I for one, believe that Vin did not cheat. He would have no reason to do so, and if the video is so sketchy that no one can say FOR SURE, then why not drop this whole fcuking mess, and get on with your own lives."


It's blowin back in their faces because they are the ones accusing both clean/non clean players and being the one to judge people, why not judge them as well? Innocent people get banned and kicked for no reason just because someone "thinks" they are. The only reason you hear it is because you play on their server, If it were on another persons sever such as the ? and u played their often and this same situation came up, you would hear it there as well. For some people NOT HAVING A REASON TO DO SO, Some people who are clean get banned simply cause they are "sktechy" or because they stand up for what they belive, which is why im suprised i havent been banned for opening my mouth when others shut theirs, and say nothing. No ones gonna really drop it because theres agreements and disagreements both right answers and wrong ones, it's physically evidence its basically a never ending dispute.



Quote- Shorty "You know WHO is a cheat?

Cuz I know Kami is a cheat."


Kami used it to attempt to catch a cheater, as Does CONAN use sometimes "Fight Fire with Fire, Conans words", and food for thought JUST THINK ABOUT KAMI SITUATION I MEAN SH*T, An OBC on his own server, Hes one of the "head" guys above the rest, Isn't it perfect?



As for Jodo, sad story about your 2 on 1, but see you can't accuse any of them even if you have some kind of idea or proof they cheat on their server, if they are under another name and you dont know its them and u think they are fishy and you mention something you have a good chance of getting banned, I know because i've seen it done meny times lol.

Now dont get me wrong this isn't Boyfriend*Kerry* VS Girlfriend*Dorie* shes just the only whos stated her opinion, and not to be mean or anything but someone who's played as short of a time as her doesnt have the experince needed, and even if they are "good guys" doesnt mean s**t can't happen.

Well I went to OBC to check out the page that Kami and them wrote on but it seems to be moved and deleted so well I can't add my opinions from there to here as well, I have looked for what Ice Man showed and I new i had some agreements and disagreements on that as well, but i couldnt remember what so I was gonna look agian lol, He says look for answers, but looks for both good and bad not just one sided, look for ways he isn't using hack and is.

Now if you look at the tower scene where Vindi is in the tower and kills the guy behind the ruin, The boss would be the guys name, I for one can't see that far, I went to that same tower to see myself, but Conan and Vindi have the best settings because if someone can see further than them than well they are considerd either Fog Hacking or a Low End Graphix card, I know because well I got banned because of my video card, and Agian no "friends" from obc helped me lol, only Z-Stray *thanks bro if u read this* and of course the GAF team *thanks Guys*. Really shows who ur friends are LoL.

As for The Dude, the rock running behind the hill to me thats an iffy one, a "good" wall hacker would have done the same, and when The Dude ran behind the hill vindi shot exactly where The Dude would have been running, but its likley it was just on accident, I dunno, it's iffy to me but not enough of anything for me to make a decision LoL, just adding my thoughts into it.

[SHORTIZZLE]

<Dead> said:

THE SUBJECT IS OVER AND DONE! tempers did flare

Apparently DG, it is not quite over yet. And tempers are still flaring, and threatening, too.


(*see reply #24)


*sigh*

[GIZZLE]

o yea, just for the record I banned for saying Kami is a credible player. I guess the whole thing was taken to heart by the entire OBC team.

*lol forgot to tell you Kerry, I got banned when you and Shane were gone that week, or 4 days or whatever. Dan helped me straighten things out and I was unbanned in about 15 mins but still*

[Kerryx]

Well I dont care, Kami is a good player a very skilled guy, and a decent man, If WE get banned for that, than thats just plain stupid. Glad at least someone helped you out, instead of u being by yourself like I always am. - Kerry

[]-[IZZLE]

wow! i thot u were jus kicked..! kinda harsh!

[GIZZLE]

Nope, I was banned. He said that I stated Vindi is a cheater in my post. *shoulda read the post was gonna make, I woulda never been unbanned, Dan talked me down i guess. He said It was a personal attack on him by me saying what I said. I am still trying to figure out how he got that when his name was never mentioned by me. O WELL!

[Matty Ham!]

i didnt take any of that in kerry, but yes i agree, i know he cheats, but if its the way obc wanna run server then so be it

[GIZZLE]

What I don't understand is people have said they have video's of him and blah blah blah. They even say they have posted it....I've never seen any of it. As far as Im concerned he plays gold, has incredible skill with the Ak, and play on UNS every once in awhile.

[Matty Ham!]

aaah shadup u kiss up, look at ur brown nose

[GIZZLE]

Kiss up to who?.....lol

[]-[IZZLE]

argh!! OLD topic!!

[GIZZLE]

Is Mr. Hiz disappointed?.....

[]-[IZZLE]

no jus wondering y we have to start this debate all over again.. no point in it.. but if ur thinking of taking it waaaayyyyyyy off topic, then its