The Famous Video

[SIZZLE]

here is a link to the video that kami made that accuses vind of cheating. i have no idea if he does or doesnt, there was just a lot of talk about the evidence so im just providing a link.

inkognit.org/vids/Vindictive.wmv

[pdizzle]

my only question is, how did kami see all of that without having the hack installed himself....think about it. when you spec someone all of your settings stay the same, meaning that you can only see that person with YOUR video settings, example, if you think someone is hacking the way you would tell is to watch him using his crosshairs in a weird way, such as looking thru mountains and buildings......in that video, its actually SHOWING the other people, so unless kami has a wallhack program installed he could not have seen that.....that should raise questions about kami if you ask me



which is kinda strange, because i would never have thought kami would have used such programs.

[SIZZLE]

no kami did say that he put the video in a certain setting that would enable him to see like that so he could see how vid would be shooting if he hacked

[]-[IZZLE]

kami has installed the hack program.. he says so himself in one of the forums (ive been to so many of em tday that i forget which ) he also says that he hasnt binded them.. so he has it but doesnt use it..
(correct me if im wrong kami.. its wat i understood from some of ur posts)

[DRIZZLE]

I agree PDIZZ see my post in our IZZLE area

[ghostface]

i dont believe that vin cheats. I think if you spec someone with your normal setting or your settings changed so that you have the best advantage without cheating. Then you watch the supposedly cheating person then you should do accusations.

[jodo]

damn dude ... hell he's cheating .. and many have said it before ..

in the first part of this short film ... you see him shootin someone in a tower ... how the hell could he have known .. that some 1 was in there

and just 5 secs before that he just knew where everybody was .. at the other side of the mountain ...

there's only one way of knowing where those people are .. and that's either being in third ( first case scenario with the people on the other side of the mountain ) .. or walhackin .. ( second scenario , with the guy in the tower ) ..

Ive accused vindictive many times before ..and finally some other people realise that he's a cheat .. ow well ... not that it bothers me ... cuz I dont like the guy any way ..

lata

[SIZZLE]

pdizz settle down try not to pick sides to this event because its just going to give us uneeded drama within the team

[DRIZZLE]

Its not our fight. This is btw Kami, TDS and obc.

[SIZZLE]

yes what he said

[pdizzle]

ill keep my mouth shut from now on

[SIZZLE]

by all means open your mouth, just try to watch wat comes out ;D

[]-[IZZLE]

dont mind sizz PD .. its kinda boring without ur sarcastic comments (esp abt sizz ;D) ....lol

[SIZZLE]

my remarks are wat arrises the excitement ;D

[SHORTIZZLE]

Jodo, there are a few things to also think about. For the record, THIS IS MY FIRST POST ANYWHERE ABOUT THE VIDEO, and I have not and will not take sides.

I played WL earlier tonight, and my team and I discussed where enemies were. Whenever I died, I tried to relay the location of the guy that killed me, and number of guys in that area. Other teammates did it, too. I randomly died by this tower near my base, and when I re-spawned, a mate said there was a guy in there, so I went and killed him. My team privately told me that there was an enemy there to look out for. So I knew what I was getting into. I am NOT taking ANY sides. Like I said, I am confused as ALL HELL and PISSED beyond belief. But there ARE other things to be considered.

So in the video, we do NOT know what Vin's team was saying, or even if Vin had been killed by that guy in the tower before, or whatever else.

He might not even have known that there was a guy in there, and heard him. If you have sound up and effects off, you can hear people move. Especially when you are so experienced at listening for them. Dan said he would have handled that situation the exact same way as Vin, too. And I know Dan doesn't cheat, cuz hell, I can see his screen from my seat.

The video is a little suspicious, but so are the reasons behind it. I just don't know what to think anymore, or who to trust.


Man this is the time I wish I could post in the Izzle Only part. Cuz I have some extra stuff that I want to say, but I am NOT getting any further into this public warzone sh!t going on between my friends. I am so confused about everything, and living with Dan does NOT help me. And I don't know how to recognize cheats that well, but.... *sigh*

[DRIZZLE]

PM me shortie

[jodo]

well shorty ...

he could have known that person was there ... and maybe he could have known that ONE other person was there ..


but knowing where 5 people are ?? cuz you know mostely people move in this game

and the fact that I saw him shooting 2 people thru a tent once .. while he thought I was at the toilet ... makes it dfamn obvious for me

ciao

[Dragon]

it's time to open my mouth and let the people here my opinion now....

I think that vin was using a hack. Ice man's story was correct but how could he hear all those people in once while we had to watch that movie twice or 3 times to hear something. also when he walked up the mountain he already knew that there was some1 there while it was impossible for a normal player to know that. and the tower ... how could he have known that the guy was behind that wall ? he was at 5 x and if kami wasn't in wh i'm sure i would never been able to see that guy

[Maddox]

Well im trying to avoid talking about this subject, because the best way is to clearify things is to talk directly with the persons involved. but now i will take a word about the video...like u know, ive played many time in wasteland, till my team got our own server. now i share my time between wasteland and arena. as admin, i need to spend time to watch who´s playing, even if that will take me hours in spec. i don´t care, all i just want is to ensure a clean game for all. i did the same in wasteland, sometimes i was speccing during 1, 2, or 3 maps sometimes. trying to catch whos cheating, and at the same time learning their moves, how to be sure they were cheating. that took me many time to learn. and i must say that after watched the video, if i saw someone in my server playing like that, i wouldn´t ban him. because we can´t see a single shot that gives us 100% he was cheating. a single one. if you watch the video 2 or 3 times, you will know what im saying. i agree that guy killed in tower can be very suspicious, but there are several explanations...like shorty well said, he could been warned by his team, he could heard it or even he could guess the guy was there. how many times didn´t you were pa$$ing by a tower and throw a nade in to it in a "just in case" though? my opinion is the video doesn´t prove nothing, and that´s only my opinion.

[Flux]

screw that and for the most part part,screw the vid. as a team they deserve respect,but also as a team,they feel as if they can COMMAND respect. they are too quick to argue,and too quick to attack those who come back at them,even defensively. and there are a few individuals who try to come off tougher than they are,but maybe i'm wrong for saying that. *self-evaluation....analyzing statement..* nope,i'm right for that. this is a fuc*in game,treat it like one.